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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by John &#124; Married (with Debt)</title>
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		<dc:creator>John &#124; Married (with Debt)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The further you get into your &quot;real&quot; life, the harder it is to extricate yourself. These are great things to begin talking about right away, before kids and a house. I&#039;m trying to get my wife to come around, but she likes the idea of a &quot;nest.&quot; I think she is warming up to some of my ideas, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The further you get into your &#8220;real&#8221; life, the harder it is to extricate yourself. These are great things to begin talking about right away, before kids and a house. I&#8217;m trying to get my wife to come around, but she likes the idea of a &#8220;nest.&#8221; I think she is warming up to some of my ideas, though.<br />
<span class="cluv">John | Married (with Debt) recently posted..<a class="82fd0e99d1 2631" rel="nofollow" href="http://marriedwithdebt.com/2012/02/thought-leader-what-makes-one/">Thought Leader: What Makes One?</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 2631" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.bravenewlife.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on Do You Know How You&#8217;re Wired? by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re all wired for the &quot;renaissance man&quot; model from an evolutionary standpoint.  We once spent our days providing for our needs through physical exertion with dashes of mental problem solving thrown in.  At some point division of labor and specialization came into play and had higher ROI for the species than the &quot;jack of all trades&quot; model.  It seems to me that if you want to be a &quot;renaissance man (or woman)&quot;, you have 2 choices: 1) be born rich or 2) tolerate the reality of needing to be an expert while being very frugal with your life and keeping your intellectual curiosity alive.  Either way you get to a point financially where you are paid to OWN rather than being paid to DO.  There might be a way to get someone to pay you lots of money for *not* being an expert, but I&#039;m not aware of it.

You may find that it&#039;s not BEING an expert that bothers you but rather the use that you&#039;re forced to put your expertise to in a corporate position.  Maybe you&#039;d feel differently if you were working for Engineers Without Borders or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re all wired for the &#8220;renaissance man&#8221; model from an evolutionary standpoint.  We once spent our days providing for our needs through physical exertion with dashes of mental problem solving thrown in.  At some point division of labor and specialization came into play and had higher ROI for the species than the &#8220;jack of all trades&#8221; model.  It seems to me that if you want to be a &#8220;renaissance man (or woman)&#8221;, you have 2 choices: 1) be born rich or 2) tolerate the reality of needing to be an expert while being very frugal with your life and keeping your intellectual curiosity alive.  Either way you get to a point financially where you are paid to OWN rather than being paid to DO.  There might be a way to get someone to pay you lots of money for *not* being an expert, but I&#8217;m not aware of it.</p>
<p>You may find that it&#8217;s not BEING an expert that bothers you but rather the use that you&#8217;re forced to put your expertise to in a corporate position.  Maybe you&#8217;d feel differently if you were working for Engineers Without Borders or something.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 17:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leadership is hugely important when you&#039;re not both on the same page.  If all you&#039;re doing is throwing what you consider to be frivolous expenditures at your Sig O, it&#039;s just going to cause big problems.  Further, if saving money isn&#039;t really important for the other person (yet), then you&#039;re the one with the problem, not them, and you need to bring solutions to the table, not problems.  Try to frame it in terms of something that IS important to them (more time together, less harm to the environment, better physical fitness, whatever).  You can bring up the benefits of saving money later if you need to.

For example, getting rid of cable can be a huge sticking point.  Cable TV is at this point a basic staple of life across the socio-economic spectrum in the U.S., so suggesting that you STOP buying it can seem extreme.  My suggestion for couples clashing over cable is for the one in favor of cutting the cable to show some leadership on the issue and start coming up with activities you can do in the evening that don&#039;t involve Comcast (or TimeWarner or whatever).  Put the emphasis on doing something fun and different.  Then, after a couple of weeks or a month, casually bring up the fact that that you haven&#039;t used the cable much at all lately and holy cow, why are we shelling out $150 for something we don&#039;t use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leadership is hugely important when you&#8217;re not both on the same page.  If all you&#8217;re doing is throwing what you consider to be frivolous expenditures at your Sig O, it&#8217;s just going to cause big problems.  Further, if saving money isn&#8217;t really important for the other person (yet), then you&#8217;re the one with the problem, not them, and you need to bring solutions to the table, not problems.  Try to frame it in terms of something that IS important to them (more time together, less harm to the environment, better physical fitness, whatever).  You can bring up the benefits of saving money later if you need to.</p>
<p>For example, getting rid of cable can be a huge sticking point.  Cable TV is at this point a basic staple of life across the socio-economic spectrum in the U.S., so suggesting that you STOP buying it can seem extreme.  My suggestion for couples clashing over cable is for the one in favor of cutting the cable to show some leadership on the issue and start coming up with activities you can do in the evening that don&#8217;t involve Comcast (or TimeWarner or whatever).  Put the emphasis on doing something fun and different.  Then, after a couple of weeks or a month, casually bring up the fact that that you haven&#8217;t used the cable much at all lately and holy cow, why are we shelling out $150 for something we don&#8217;t use?</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by Brave New Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brave New Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha.  Thanks for the clarification.  I&#039;m always up for some fancy grammar learning. My best friend, an English PhD, (and best friend in my wedding) used to say: &quot;You have so many good ideas, you should learn how to write them.&quot; And so it continues...

For other poor grammar engineers who want to learn how to pass by the grammar police, here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2819&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a little information&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha.  Thanks for the clarification.  I&#8217;m always up for some fancy grammar learning. My best friend, an English PhD, (and best friend in my wedding) used to say: &#8220;You have so many good ideas, you should learn how to write them.&#8221; And so it continues&#8230;</p>
<p>For other poor grammar engineers who want to learn how to pass by the grammar police, here&#8217;s <a href="http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=2819" rel="nofollow">a little information</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by Grammar Police</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grammar Police</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the site (and especially the recent posts), but I seriously got distracted while reading this article by how many times the text said &quot;less&quot; (continuous quantity) when it should have said &quot;fewer&quot; (discrete quantity).

Sorry for the nitpicking :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the site (and especially the recent posts), but I seriously got distracted while reading this article by how many times the text said &#8220;less&#8221; (continuous quantity) when it should have said &#8220;fewer&#8221; (discrete quantity).</p>
<p>Sorry for the nitpicking <img src='http://www.bravenewlife.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by Brave New Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brave New Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful coincidence that your &quot;last two big hurdles&quot; can be solved by the same action!  

My old house was 3189 square feet. When we bought it 8 years ago, we felt like we had &quot;made it.&quot;  What fools we were.  What we had really purchased was a money pit and time pit.  More area to heat, cool and keep clean.  More floor space to vacuum, and more rooms to fill with useless things like a dining room table. My taxes then were higher than my entire mortgage today! So far it&#039;s been 8 months since we moved, and I can say that I have never, for a single moment, regretted the downsize.

I think I&#039;ve talked my wife into writing a post in reply to this article offering her perspective, hopefully in the next few days.  Hopefully your wife will find it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful coincidence that your &#8220;last two big hurdles&#8221; can be solved by the same action!  </p>
<p>My old house was 3189 square feet. When we bought it 8 years ago, we felt like we had &#8220;made it.&#8221;  What fools we were.  What we had really purchased was a money pit and time pit.  More area to heat, cool and keep clean.  More floor space to vacuum, and more rooms to fill with useless things like a dining room table. My taxes then were higher than my entire mortgage today! So far it&#8217;s been 8 months since we moved, and I can say that I have never, for a single moment, regretted the downsize.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ve talked my wife into writing a post in reply to this article offering her perspective, hopefully in the next few days.  Hopefully your wife will find it interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, great post!  I really needed to hear this.  I&#039;m sold on the benefits of living a simpler life of frugality and freedom, but I can&#039;t seem to get my wife excited about it.  I see it so clearly in my head, but, I fail miserably when I try to explain it to my wife!  She is coming along slowy, my last two big hurdles are to downsize our house and move closer to work to cut down on transportation costs.  I&#039;ve been digging your &quot;brave new life&quot; posts.  It has challenged me to codify a similar philosophy for myself.  I have a very busy work life and having a personal philosophy will keep me on &quot;my path&quot;  and not the path that work continually tries to suck me into.  

Great job Brave.  We think alot alike.  I&#039;ve never met (pseudo) so many introverts/INTJs (like myself) in my life, until I started reading ERE, MMM and you-awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, great post!  I really needed to hear this.  I&#8217;m sold on the benefits of living a simpler life of frugality and freedom, but I can&#8217;t seem to get my wife excited about it.  I see it so clearly in my head, but, I fail miserably when I try to explain it to my wife!  She is coming along slowy, my last two big hurdles are to downsize our house and move closer to work to cut down on transportation costs.  I&#8217;ve been digging your &#8220;brave new life&#8221; posts.  It has challenged me to codify a similar philosophy for myself.  I have a very busy work life and having a personal philosophy will keep me on &#8220;my path&#8221;  and not the path that work continually tries to suck me into.  </p>
<p>Great job Brave.  We think alot alike.  I&#8217;ve never met (pseudo) so many introverts/INTJs (like myself) in my life, until I started reading ERE, MMM and you-awesome!</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by Brave New Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brave New Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Feb 2012 02:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I convinced her to write a follow up...  It&#039;s out of her element, so we shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I convinced her to write a follow up&#8230;  It&#8217;s out of her element, so we shall see.<br />
<span class="cluv">Brave New Life recently posted..<a class="9f10b8b0e8 2597" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bravenewlife.com/02/how-to-get-your-significant-to-embrace-a-brave-new-life/">How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 2597" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.bravenewlife.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheartplus.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by Debbie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debbie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 21:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steps with my SO:
1) He moves out of his rental into my small house.  It&#039;s not much bigger than his rental, and we&#039;re both stuffed into it, plus it doesn&#039;t have a dishwasher.  But he loves the location and the very low housing costs which are getting lower with the house getting paid off.

Still, he wants to add a huge amount of square footage to it because he has lots of space-consuming hobbies, not to mention loads of clothing, tools, etc.  This would add quite a bit to our costs for property taxes, insurance, and utilities.

2) I make it very clear how much I want to be financially independent.  When we met, he said he always wants to work.  He&#039;s now to the point where he thinks that working half-time would be ideal!

My next plan is to de-clutter a lot.  I&#039;ve finally gotten good at not buying crap, but I&#039;m still not so good at getting rid of crap (especially things that used to be a good idea but that I no longer use).

I&#039;m also taking a sabbatical from work (by which I mean that I quit my job without having another one lined up, and I&#039;m not going to even start job hunting seriously for a month or two).  It never occurred to me to demonstrate how my not working is a boon to him.  I don&#039;t really want to take over all the housework or anything like that.  The only benefit I&#039;ve thought of so far is that I can get some things done when he&#039;s not home instead of trying to do them at the same time as he is.  Also, I&#039;m more likely to go to bed at a reasonable time (which makes it easier for him to) since I&#039;m more likely to have had &quot;enough fun&quot; by bedtime.

Oh, my gosh, he sure likes having a lot of stuff though.  And fantasizing about having more stuff when he gets richer.  He has favorite expensive cars.  Favorite expensive boats.  Favorite expensive guitars (which he doesn&#039;t even play anymore).  He wants to start very expensive businesses (home construction, home theatre creation, electronics stuff, just to name a few).  He&#039;s getting pickier about clothes and food (though I have shown him that thrift stores do have some good clothes).  He always sees stuff he wants--I rarely see stuff I want.  It&#039;s a big difference.  At least he&#039;s good at not spending beyond his means, even when he&#039;s pretty poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steps with my SO:<br />
1) He moves out of his rental into my small house.  It&#8217;s not much bigger than his rental, and we&#8217;re both stuffed into it, plus it doesn&#8217;t have a dishwasher.  But he loves the location and the very low housing costs which are getting lower with the house getting paid off.</p>
<p>Still, he wants to add a huge amount of square footage to it because he has lots of space-consuming hobbies, not to mention loads of clothing, tools, etc.  This would add quite a bit to our costs for property taxes, insurance, and utilities.</p>
<p>2) I make it very clear how much I want to be financially independent.  When we met, he said he always wants to work.  He&#8217;s now to the point where he thinks that working half-time would be ideal!</p>
<p>My next plan is to de-clutter a lot.  I&#8217;ve finally gotten good at not buying crap, but I&#8217;m still not so good at getting rid of crap (especially things that used to be a good idea but that I no longer use).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also taking a sabbatical from work (by which I mean that I quit my job without having another one lined up, and I&#8217;m not going to even start job hunting seriously for a month or two).  It never occurred to me to demonstrate how my not working is a boon to him.  I don&#8217;t really want to take over all the housework or anything like that.  The only benefit I&#8217;ve thought of so far is that I can get some things done when he&#8217;s not home instead of trying to do them at the same time as he is.  Also, I&#8217;m more likely to go to bed at a reasonable time (which makes it easier for him to) since I&#8217;m more likely to have had &#8220;enough fun&#8221; by bedtime.</p>
<p>Oh, my gosh, he sure likes having a lot of stuff though.  And fantasizing about having more stuff when he gets richer.  He has favorite expensive cars.  Favorite expensive boats.  Favorite expensive guitars (which he doesn&#8217;t even play anymore).  He wants to start very expensive businesses (home construction, home theatre creation, electronics stuff, just to name a few).  He&#8217;s getting pickier about clothes and food (though I have shown him that thrift stores do have some good clothes).  He always sees stuff he wants&#8211;I rarely see stuff I want.  It&#8217;s a big difference.  At least he&#8217;s good at not spending beyond his means, even when he&#8217;s pretty poor.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How To Get Your Significant Other To Embrace a Brave New Life by retirebyforty</title>
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		<dc:creator>retirebyforty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really need your partner to be on board with the plan. If he/she is not with you then it will be very difficult or even impossible to do . Luckily, my wife has a similar financial outlook. We are both savers and she has accepted my plan. 
I worked on it a little at a time and eventually she also thinks it&#039;s a good idea for me to leave the corporate job. She is nervous about it, but I&#039;m pretty sure we can make it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really need your partner to be on board with the plan. If he/she is not with you then it will be very difficult or even impossible to do . Luckily, my wife has a similar financial outlook. We are both savers and she has accepted my plan.<br />
I worked on it a little at a time and eventually she also thinks it&#8217;s a good idea for me to leave the corporate job. She is nervous about it, but I&#8217;m pretty sure we can make it work.<br />
<span class="cluv">retirebyforty recently posted..<a class="cfb62da341 2593" rel="nofollow" href="http://retireby40.org/2012/02/national-foreclosure-settlement/">National Foreclosure Settlement Helps Homeowners</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip u 2593" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.bravenewlife.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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